The Podcast

70+ Episodes. Real Conversations With the People Running and Working in the Channel

Hosted by Jeff Lennon and John McCabe. Every episode is tagged to one of nine recurring themes. Filter below, or just scroll.

Episode 73: Building a Modern Channel Organization: Scaling Partners, Revenue, and Global GrowthEp 73 Building a Modern Channel Organization
with the Channel Duo, Pablo Ono & Charlie Nash · Scaling

Understand the partner's perspective, give them a real way to make money, and keep the program simple.

Episode 72: A Pragmatic View of Channel Operations with Tom HarkerEp 72 A Pragmatic View of Channel Operations
with Tom Harker · Activation

Relationships and real differentiation, and why the ideal partner profile can't just revolve around money.

Episode 71: The Start Up's Guide to Building a Channel ProgramEp 71 The Startup's Guide to Building a Channel Program
Hosts-led · Foundation

ICP first, simple pricing, the right partners, and executive buy-in before you start.

Episode 70 cover: From Partners to Performance: Lessons from Two Channel Leaders with Kristen Rank and Aarti GadhiaEp 70 From Partners to Performance
with Kristen Rank & Aarti Gadhia · Ecosystem GTM

The shift from selling alone to ecosystem selling: shared intelligence, joint planning.

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Episode 69 cover: Breaking the Channel Myths: Why Most Partner Programs Don't Produce Revenue, with Craig BoothEp 69 Breaking the Channel Myths
with Craig Booth · Activation

Partner activity doesn't equal partner results. Building a real Revenue Operating System.

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Episode 68: Lessons from 1776 on How To Build a Better Channel (Special 4th of July Show 2026)Ep 68 Lessons from 1776 on How To Build a Better Channel
4th of July Show 2026

Founding Fathers mapped to channel roles, the 13 Colonies mapped to a modern ecosystem.

Episode 67: From Gifting to Trust: Braydan Young's Next Big BetEp 67 From Gifting to Trust: Braydan Young's Next Big Bet

Jeff Lennon and John McCabe sit down with Braydan Young to talk gifting, trust, and his newest venture.

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Episode 66: Building a Revenue Generating MSP Program with Jon Purcell (Untapped Channel Strategy)Ep 66 Building a Revenue Generating MSP Program with Jon Purcell (Untapped Channel Strategy)
Activation

Most vendors approach MSPs the wrong way, forcing a traditional channel playbook into an MSP motion. Jon Purcell breaks down what actually works.

Episode 65: Ecosystem Specialization: Why Generalists Are Getting SqueezedEp 65 Ecosystem Specialization: Why Generalists Are Getting Squeezed

Most partners start as generalists. The challenge is knowing when it's time to specialize.

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Episode 64: Building AI Revenue Engines Through Partnerships, Advisory Leadership, and ExecutionEp 64 Building AI Revenue Engines Through Partnerships, Advisory Leadership, and Execution

Everyone is talking about AI revenue engines. This episode breaks down how partnerships, advisory leadership, and execution actually build them.

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Episode 63: Building an Ecosystem GTM That Actually ScalesEp 63 Building an Ecosystem GTM That Actually Scales

Everyone is talking about ecosystems. Very few people explain how they actually work. Jeff Lennon and John McCabe break it down.

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Episode 62: From Accounting to CRO: Neal Dooly's Channel JourneyEp 62 From Accounting to CRO: Neal Dooly's Channel Journey

Most companies think they have a sales problem. In reality, they usually have an alignment problem. Neal Dooly's path from accounting to CRO.

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Episode 61: Agentic AI in the Partner Motion: Beyond Tools, Into Autonomous ActionEp 61 Agentic AI in the Partner Motion: Beyond Tools, Into Autonomous Action

AI in partnerships is moving beyond assistance and into action. John McCabe and Jeff Lennon break down what Agentic AI means for the channel.

Episode 60: A Founder's Guide to a 100% Channel Motion with Anders NorremoEp 60 A Founder's Guide to a 100% Channel Motion with Anders Norremo

Most companies try to 'add' channel. Very few build their business around it. Anders Norremo on going 100% channel from day one.

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Episode 59: Partner Sourced Pipeline: Myth vs RealityEp 59 Partner Sourced Pipeline: Myth vs Reality

Most companies say they have a partner strategy, but they can't define partner-sourced pipeline. Separating myth from reality.

Episode 58: From Ecosystems to AI with David LevineEp 58 From Ecosystems to AI with David Levine

AI is everywhere. But what's actually real and what's just hype? A conversation with cybersecurity veteran David Levine.

Episode 57: Partner Co-Marketing: A Better Bang for Your BuckEp 57 Partner Co-Marketing: A Better Bang for Your Buck

Most companies rush into co-selling and wonder why it doesn't work. This episode breaks down the missing step: co-marketing.

Episode 56: RSA to Revenue: The 4 Mistakes That Kill Your Follow-Up (EP56)Ep 56 RSA to Revenue: The 4 Mistakes That Kill Your Follow-Up (EP56)

RSA is back and the energy is high, but most teams blow the follow-up. The 4 mistakes that kill post-event pipeline.

Episode 55: Moving AI from Hype to Operational Value Inside Your Business & Channel ProgramsEp 55 Moving AI from Hype to Operational Value Inside Your Business & Channel Programs

AI is everywhere, but most teams still aren't getting real value from it, because they're skipping the most important step.

Episode 54: How Are You Building Your Ecosystem? Kyle Edmunds InterviewEp 54 How Are You Building Your Ecosystem? Kyle Edmunds Interview

Jeff Lennon and John McCabe sit down with Kyle Edmund Hayes, founder of Ecosystem Revenue Dynamics, to tackle building a real ecosystem.

Episode 53: Revisiting Trust, Nearbound and Influence: The New CurrencyEp 53 Revisiting Trust, Nearbound and Influence: The New Currency

Revisiting Nearbound and breaking down why influenced revenue is the real future of the channel. Nearbound is not a marketing play.

Episode 52: Leland Morris: Building Repeatable Revenue via Zero-Code Channel OrchestrationEp 52 Leland Morris: Building Repeatable Revenue via Zero-Code Channel Orchestration

Is your partner ecosystem truly orchestrated? Leland Morris on building repeatable revenue with zero-code tooling.

Episode 51: From the Trenches & On The Road with Mitch SimonEp 51 From the Trenches & On The Road with Mitch Simon
Activation

Channel managers don't win from their inbox. They win in the field. Mitch Simon on life on the road as a channel manager.

Episode 50: Principles, People & Pipeline: A Master Class in Scalable Co-Marketing with Will TaylorEp 50 Principles, People & Pipeline: A Master Class in Scalable Co-Marketing with Will Taylor

Outbound is getting tougher, ads cost more, SEO is harder. How partner leaders build pipeline without burning cycles.

Episode 49: The Channel Surfers Reintroduction & PRM Update with Introw CEO Andreas GeamanuEp 49 The Channel Surfers Reintroduction & PRM Update with Introw CEO Andreas Geamanu
Activation

Outbound is harder than ever and partnerships are becoming the real growth engine. A PRM update with Introw's Andreas Geamanu.

Episode 48: There's No Season Like SKO Season!Ep 48 There's No Season Like SKO Season!

Sales Kickoff season is here: how channel and partner teams should be thinking about SKO.

Episode 47: A New Way to Partner with Raj Skrezyna of CONNECTIVEAIEp 47 A New Way to Partner with Raj Skrezyna of CONNECTIVEAI

What if AI isn't here to replace channel leaders, but to give them their time back? Raj Skrezyna on a new way to partner.

Episode 46: Explore The World of Disti with Google's Jessica SimonEp 46 Explore The World of Disti with Google's Jessica Simon

Distribution isn't dead, it just evolved. If you're still treating disti like logistics, you're leaving scale on the table.

Episode 45: 2025 Year in Review: The 12 Days of Channel, A Year-End Ride with the SurfersEp 45 2025 Year in Review: The 12 Days of Channel, A Year-End Ride with the Surfers

2025 changed the channel. Did you change with it? A holiday special counting down the year's top moments.

Episode 44: Leveraging AI in Partnerships with Pat FerdigEp 44 Leveraging AI in Partnerships
with Pat Ferdig · Activation

Where AI actually helps a partner motion, and where it still needs a human in the loop.

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Episode 43: Uncovering the True Value of Partner Programs with Quarq.ai CEO Chris MessinaEp 43 Uncovering the True Value of Partner Programs with Quarq.ai CEO Chris Messina

Is your partner program truly delivering value, or are you just hoping it is? Chris Messina of Quarq.ai weighs in.

Episode 42: Empowering Channel Partners with AIEp 42 Empowering Channel Partners with AI

AI isn't just showing up in the channel, it's taking over the workflows that make partnerships run. The practical side of AI for partners.

Episode 41: Leveraging the Five AI Initiative Types for Channel, Sales & AlliancesEp 41 Leveraging the Five AI Initiative Types for Channel, Sales & Alliances

Tired of AI hype? This episode breaks it down for real-world channel and partner leaders — five concrete AI initiative types.

Episode 39: From Chaos to Clarity — A Framework for Better Partnerships with Nelson WangEp 39 From Chaos to Clarity — A Framework for Better Partnerships with Nelson Wang

From chaos to clarity — Nelson Wang shares a framework for building better, more organized partnerships.

Episode 38: Surfing Revenue, Relationships & Repeatability — A CRO's Channel Perspective with Vaughn MordecaiEp 38 Surfing Revenue, Relationships & Repeatability — A CRO's Channel Perspective with Vaughn Mordecai

Partnerships are sales, period. Vaughn Mordecai, CRO at MindMatrix, on revenue, relationships and repeatability.

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Episode 37: Rough Seas Lead to Great Sales & Partner Teams with Scott StrubelEp 37 Rough Seas Lead to Great Sales & Partner Teams with Scott Strubel

What does it really take to lead in the channel for over five decades? Scott Strubel's take on building great partner teams.

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Episode 36: The Channel is Changing — Are You Ready to Ride the Next WaveEp 36 The Channel is Changing — Are You Ready to Ride the Next Wave

Is your channel strategy built for 2025 or stuck in 2015? How the partner landscape is shifting.

Episode 35: Ecosystem Waves — Navigating the Five (5) Partner Categories That Drive the ChannelEp 35 Ecosystem Waves — Navigating the Five (5) Partner Categories That Drive the Channel

John McCabe and Jeff Lennon dive into the dynamic world of partner ecosystems, breaking down the 5 major partner categories.

Episode 34: Navigating the Current Job Market with Rick SearsEp 34 Navigating the Current Job Market with Rick Sears

Is the job market broken or just evolving? Rick Sears, executive coach and resume expert, on navigating today's channel job market.

Episode 33: How Important is Channel Operations, with Helene ErvinEp 33 How Important is Channel Operations, with Helene Ervin

What makes a channel partner program actually work? It's not just sales, it's operations. Helene Ervin explains.

Episode 32: Repeatability, Grit & Alliances with Nick NicholasEp 32 Repeatability, Grit & Alliances with Nick Nicholas

Repeatability, grit, the channel grind, and a few surprise stories with Nick Nicholas.

Episode 31: The Evolving Employment MarketEp 31 The Evolving Employment Market

Navigating the changing channel job market — you're not alone. A candid, timely conversation on today's realities.

Episode 30: Channel Trenches — A View from an Alliance Leader with Rob CohenEp 30 Channel Trenches — A View from an Alliance Leader with Rob Cohen

What does it take to lead channel partnerships in an AI-driven world? Industry veteran Rob Cohen joins the show.

Episode 29: Channel Sales Secrets from the Trenches — Ross Kemp on Trust, ROI & AI ToolsEp 29 Channel Sales Secrets from the Trenches — Ross Kemp on Trust, ROI & AI Tools

What's it really like in the trenches of channel management? Ross Kemp on trust, ROI, and AI tools.

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Episodes 1–28 (and #40) are on the current site while the archive migrates. Browse them at channelsurfers.com →